National Popular Vote…The Final Nail in the Coffin of the Republic?

Our Constitution is under constant attack.1   One of the most pernicious attacks is being waged by those who seek to override the constitutional provisions under which The States, as political entities, elect the President; and to replace it with a national popular vote (NPV) under which inhabitants of major metropolitan areas will choose the President.  Pulius-Huldah

The idea that our presidents should be elected by popular raises its head with every presidential election. The talking heads always remind their listeners that it is not the popular vote that counts. They go on to give a brief description of the electoral college, which they invariably describe as an arcane process that probably should be changed so that THE PEOPLE can elect our president directly by popular vote. After all, we are reminded this is supposedly a democracy, right? This idea of electing our presidents by popular votes has had its supporters for a long time. But, to my knowledge, the idea has never gotten much traction. So, I was surprised when Plubius-Huldah sounded the alarm.

There  is indeed an organized movement to bring about the National Popular  Vote (NPV) for our presidents. They are not trying to promote a constitutional amendment. No, they are planning to use the constitution itself to bring about presidential popular voting. There now is an organization called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC). We learn this from Wikipedia:

The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact (NPVIC) is an agreement among several U.S. states. States endorsing this interstate compact have agreed to replace their current rules regarding the apportionment of presidential electors with rules guaranteeing the election of the presidential candidate with the most popular votes nationwide. The agreement is to go into effect only when the states which have joined the compact have an absolute majority in the electoral college; they would then all vote for the national popular vote winner, who would as a result win the Electoral College and therefore the presidency. Until enough states join, all states will continue to award their electoral votes in their current manner.

Electing our presidents by popular vote is a very, very bad idea. Our Founders knew exactly what they were doing when they the power to elect our presidents to the states and not to the people. I encourage you to read the essay by Plubius Huldah. She explains and documents the arguments against  NPV much better than I ever could. Here are a few snips from her essay:

The “Federation” created by our Constitution is an alliance of independent and sovereign States associated together in a “confederation” with a national government to which is delegated authority over the States in specifically defined areas ONLY (national defense, international commerce & relations; and domestically, the creation of an uniform commercial system:  weights & measures, patents & copyrights, a monetary system based on gold & silver, bankruptcy laws, and mail delivery). Those enumerated powers are the only areas wherein the national government has lawful (constitutional) authority over The States.  In all other matters, the States retained supremacy, independence, and sovereignty.2

So that The States – The Members of the Federation – could maintain their independence and sovereignty, 3 our Framers wrote these provisions into our Constitution:

  • State Legislatures were to choose the two U.S. Senators for their State (Art. I, Sec. 3, cl. 1); and,
  • The States, as separate political entities, were to elect the President (Art. II, Sec. 1, cls. 2 & 3).

[…]

Do you see?  Since Representatives to the House were chosen by popular vote of the People, and U.S. Senators were to be chosen by the State Legislatures, no law could get passed by Congress unless it was approved by the People (via their Representatives) andby The States (via the State appointed U.S. Senators).

This is what our Framers gave us to protect us from a usurpatious Congress.

[…]

Our Framers never intended for the President to be elected by popular vote. While they recognize in Our Declaration of Independence (2nd para) that The People are the source of political authority, 6  they knew that all history demonstrates that The People lack the knowledge, wisdom and judgment to make wise choices when voting for politicians.

Friends, if this compact among states is successful, it will mean the end of our republic. We will become a democracy in fact and the majority will trample the remaining rights of the minority and tyranny will reign. To all who read these words, I beg of you to find out if your state is already a part of this compact or if it is thinking of becoming a part of the compact and if so , sound the alarm and do everything in your power to stop this from happening. Remember, the powers that want to destroy our nation never ever rest.

Well, that’s what I’m thinking. What are your thoughts?

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18 thoughts on “National Popular Vote…The Final Nail in the Coffin of the Republic?

  1. That sure was an eye opener. Thanks for the heads up. I am still trying to figure out how our primary system has become so screwed up, and can find little info. Now it turns out that the Michigan primary allow Dems, independents as well as GOPers to vote in the GOP primary. Then we have these infamous caucuses where a handful decide the outcome.Early voting, – the list goes on and on. What mischief goes can go on by the opposition.

    1. Bunker, my friend, I am so fed up with the Republican Party I can’t see straight. (no pun intended). Actually, I’m also pretty fed up with the American people in general. I read today that Obama0s approval rating is now 50%. I don0t get it.

      1. and only 56 percent favor the Keystone pipeline while we all are geting hosed soon at 4 bucks a gallon. Called ” Now changing driving habits” otherwise known as not being able to enjoy ones life to the fullest with friends, families.

    2. Bunkerville, it is too bad that you probably missed our piece of last week called “America Must Fix Its Electoral Process…and Then Maybe,…”, where we discussed just such issue as you state it, “how our primary system has become so screwed up”.

      We describe the situation as “The Greatest Nation on Earth With The Worst Electoral Process in the Western World. It is time to scrutinize its anomalies.”

      We would like to know your opinion on it. Find it at http://www.robbingamerica.blogspot.com/2012/02/america-must-fix-its-electoral.html

      It is precisely our present problem with the electoral process that is giving rise to the crazy scheme that Jim describes in this piece.

  2. The National Popular Vote bill preserves the Electoral College and state control of elections. It changes the way electoral votes are awarded in the Electoral College.

    Under National Popular Vote, every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in every presidential election. Every vote would be included in the state counts and national count. The candidate with the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC would get the 270+ electoral votes from the enacting states. That majority of electoral votes guarantees the candidate with the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC wins the presidency.

    National Popular Vote would give a voice to the minority party voters in each state. Now their votes are counted only for the candidate they did not vote for. Now they don’t matter to their candidate.

    And votes, beyond the one needed to get the most votes in the state, for winning candidates in a state are wasted and don’t matter to candidates. Utah (5 electoral votes) alone generated a margin of 385,000 “wasted” votes for Bush in 2004. 8 small western states, with less than a third of California’s population, provided Bush with a bigger margin (1,283,076) than California provided Kerry (1,235,659).

    With National Popular Vote, every vote, everywhere would be counted equally for, and directly assist, the candidate for whom it was cast.

    Candidates would need to care about voters across the nation, not just undecided voters in the current handful of swing states. The political reality would be that when every vote is equal, the campaign must be run in every part of the country.

    The Republic is not in any danger from National Popular Vote.
    National Popular Vote has NOTHING TO DO with pure democracy. Pure democracy is a form of government in which people vote on policy initiatives directly. With National Popular Vote, the United States would still be a representative democracy, in which citizens continue to elect the President by a majority of Electoral College votes, to represent us and conduct the business of government in the periods between elections.

    1. Dear readers, this fellow spammed me with four of these long winded diatribes. I got suspicious and check the comments at Publius Huldah. Sure enough he tried the same thing over there. This is how PH responded:

      ◦This fellow posted, one after another, in rapid fire succession, a series of very long posts which regurgitate the line put out by those who seek to deceive and manipulate us into supporting the NPV.

      He did not respond to a single point I raised. He just regurgitated rubbish he copied from somewhere else.

      Now! If any of you NPV supporters can address this on an intellectual level, and are able to be honest about it, well, then, have at it.

      But I do not permit stupid drones to clutter up MY website with rubbish. Save the rubbish for your own websites.

      That works for me.

  3. Our founding fathers were correct in fearing Democracy. The Republic they gave us, and the electoral college are the best way ever devised by man to secure our liberties.

    And on an unrelated note: How well will the Electoral college do in the NCAA this year? Final four?

  4. I have written a couple of posts on this in the past and this is nothing but an attempt to subvert our constitution and put the final touches on converting America from a republic into a democracy and the one form of government the founders feared allmost as much as monarchy was democracy. This is why they did not set up a democracy in the first place, but I wonder how many people today realize we are not a democracy.
    I do not have a problem with individual states who wish to change the way they hand out delegates because that is their right, but this is not being done by the states individually, it is part of a national movement and I find it to be dangerous indeed.

  5. The 17th amendment was also a very bad idea, as it took the power away from the states. The federal government is expected to police itself now. I wrote a post recently that explains the problem with the 17th amendment: http://www.truthinexile.com/2012/02/09/why-the-17th-amendment-is-bad-and-should-be-repealed/.

    This is scary stuff. They gradually continue to destroy the Republic created by the founders, and the people are too stupid to take a few minutes to actually think about whether these things are a good idea. You tell anyone about the 17th amendment needing to be repealed and all they can think about is how that would take the power away from the people, ugghh.

    These people don’t understand the difference between a democracy and a republic. Scary times.

  6. thanks for the good arguments against this NPV. the issue is additionally frightening because even conservative-minded folks can be fooled into thinking it’s a good idea. I’ve heard the thought expressed by a conservative (though not terribly well-informed) friend that it would be great to get rid of the electoral college b/c she was tired of her vote not even counting.

    cheers
    Linda

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