The question in posed in the title today is an important question that affects all Americans and possibly the entire civilized world. Today, you and I are going to have a unique opportunity to discuss this question with a number of people who would describe themselves as moderate Muslims First, some background on how this opportunity came about.
On August 2, 2013, I wrote a post in which I called Islam a cult of sociopaths. I went do far as to say that Islam does not deserve to be protected under the First Amendment to our constitution. The culture of Muslims, I said, can not be separated from their religion and that culture can not coexist with our culture or any other culture. In other words, I was saying that the Muslim culture and belief system precludes them from being able to live in peace among other civilized cultures. That is a pretty strong position, to say the least.
This past Saturday a I received a comment on that post from someone by the name of Abby who described herself as an American and a moderate Muslim who has lived the last three years in Egypt. Considering the harshness of the position I took on Islam, I was impressed by the civility of her comment. So, I sent Abby an e-mail telling her that instead of replying to her on an older post that likely not be seen by anyone else, I would write new post (this post) in which I would reproduce her comment with my reply so that all of you could read them and add your own comments. I then asked Abby if she and some liked minded friends would be willing to come by today and engage in a dialogue with you and I on the question in today’s title. To my delight, she immediately agreed. Abby has e-mailed a copy of the earlier post to several friends and invited them to join in today’s conversation. Abby and I have agreed on the rules of engagement, which I will get to in a moment; but first, as promised, I will share Abby’s comment and then my reply. Then I will explain what I hope this post will acheive.
Comment by Abby to my article:: Islam _ A Cult of Sociopaths… “
Wow, that is a very strong opinion and it is not my place to change it. You are entitled to it. Time and research may or may not change it. And you are right to blame not just the current White House occupant but previous ones too. Lets not forget who created those problems and armed them in the first place before their strategic use was nullified. And then they let them go on. Hmm. Suddenly strategic advantage turned to strategic liability.
A couple of things.
As an American moderate Muslim I myself am frustrated at the rise of terrorist activities in the name of religion and have been wondering where the moderates are. Here is what I realized that since the moderates concern themselves with their individual relationship with the divine they are not organized. (You many know a few and don’t even realize it. It was only after September 11th that my friends asked me what I was). As such, how could they control the sociopaths. They have started but this takes time.
Second surprise surprise, having been in Egypt during the past 3 years, I watched with shock as the US supported the rise of an ORGANIZED EXTREMIST ISLAMIC PARTY with known terrorist ties to the first elected presidency. And when the moderates took to the street, the White House continued siding with the Islamic Party… Not a good time to be an American here.
As the dogma of these extremist is revealed, my surprise continues at how much they deviate from what the moderate Muslims learn of their religion. Which confirms two things:
1) Most terrorists are created by them through economic hardships and brainwashing.
2) These people are not after religious domination they are after POWER AND CONTROL.
The use of religion and its interpretation is changed to serve that goal. You have no idea what they have been allowing here in the name of religion. If it makes you feel better, here’s one, they call the Muslim Egyptians who are Anti Morsi (the ousted president) infidels… has a familiar ring?
I hope you do not feel offended with my comment, I just wanted to share with you that we share the same frustrations and anxieties. And as the moderates voices rise around the world the end you are looking for may be achieved. Hopefully during our lifetime.
My Reply to Abby
First let me say publicly what I said to you privately. It took courage for you to walk into the lion’s den and you did it with class. And now, my response:
- To your second point about how “the US supported the rise of an ORGANIZED EXTREMIST ISLAMIC PARTY with known terrorist ties to the first elected presidency”, I think you would find I and my regular followers at Asylum Watch are just as upset about government’s involvement in the affairs of Egypt nor any other country in the Middle East or North Africa. I have written a number of post on that subject.
- On the subject of Moderate Muslims vs. Extremist Muslims _ This is the key subject that I hope we will all get into today. We are told repeatedly by numerous pundits that there are well over a billion Muslims in the world and that the vast majority of them only want to live in peace and are not interested in converting or killing every non-Muslim they come across. That is not the image we in the West see. What we see are massive demonstration against Americans and Jews, We see Muslims dancing in the streets to celebrate the deaths from the latest terrorist attack. Is this just media bias? Where are the massive demonstrations by the “majority” moderate Muslims against these atrocities? You said: “… I realized that since the moderates concern themselves with their individual relationship with the divine they are not organized…. As such, how could they control the sociopaths. They have started but this takes time.” Abby, these atrocities have been going on for many years! Here is what I think I see. In 1917, I doubt that the majority of the Russian people were interested in communism. But, they did not resist the Bolsheviks and millions died. In the 1930’s, II don’t think the majority of the German people wanted to be controlled by the Nazis; but they didn’t resist the Nazis and millions died. Abby, are we seeing the same thing with “moderate” Muslims vs. extremist Muslims?
- Sharia Law _ Sharia Law is another reason I don;t believe Muslims, moderate or otherwise, can coexist inside of another culture, such as, the United States. There are some aspects of Sharia law that are just not acceptable to the rest of the world: the requirements for a woman to prove rape, that a husband can beat a wife that misbehaves in his opinion, that a woman accused of being unfaithful to her husband can be killed by stoning, and that even a petty thief should have his hand cut off. If the Aztec culture had survived to this day and Aztecs were living in America, we would not tolerate their ritual of sacrificing virgins to their gods, either.
- Trusting Moderate Muslims _ Abby, people like me have a real problem trusting Muslims who say they are moderates. I am not an expert in the Koran but I have read many articles by “experts”, both former Muslims and non-Muslims. They tell us that Muslims are taught the lying is wrong except when it is necessary to deceive the infidels until the Muslims have the strategic strength to force the infidels to convert and if they refuse to convert the Muslims can either enslave the infidel or kill him. Let me share three incidents that support my questioning if moderate Muslims are really all that moderate. 1.) An elementary school teacher wrote a letter to the editor of a major US newspaper s few years ago . She related a story that took place back in the time when Salman Rushdie was in the news because a Irani Mullah had ordered his death for writing a book that supposedly defamed Islam. This teacher was in the habit of inviting people of different ethnic backgrounds to come and speak to he class about their cultures. This was very popular with the children. One couple that had spoken to her classes over the years was a Muslim couple. It was shortly after the Rushdie story was in the news that she once again had the Muslim couple speak to her class and once again the children were delighted. After she had dismissed her students she ask the Muslim couple what they thought of the order to kill Salmon Rushdie. She was shocked when the Muslim man responded, and I am paraphrasing here, ” As a good Muslim, if my path should cross with that of Salman Rushdie, I would be obligated to kill him. So, this seemingly moderate Muslim would not go out hunting for Mr. Rushdie, but if by chance their paths crossed, his faith in Islam would oblige him to kill Mr. Rushdie, 2.) Several years ago a young Muslim man living in the United States joined the Us Army. He would rise to the rank of Major. No small task, His name is Nidal Malik Hasan. Around two years ago, while at Fort Hood in Texas, he took out his gun and while yelling Allahu Akbar, he murdered 13 of his comrades-in-arms and seriously wounded dozens more. Certainly Major Hasan was thought to be a moderate Muslim. He had taken an oath to defend our constitution against all enemies foreign or domestic. 3.) More recently we have the case of two Chechen brothers who set off bombs at the finish line of the Boston marathon. These Chechen brothers came to the US with their parents seeking asylum from religious persecution in Chechnya. America welcomed them with open arms. Gave the subsidies for housing and food stamps. The brothers grew up and attended our public schools and went to university. They certainly seemed to be moderate Muslims until the day of the Boston marathon. So, Abby, you see that people like me do have a serious trust issue with “moderate” Muslims as well as with the extremists.
For the purpose of today;s post, my response to Abby lays out what I think are the issues that Abby and her friends need to address in order to answer the question the day. You and they may see other issues. That’s fine!
Abby and I are sincere in our quest to get a dialogue going. For that to happen, you my friends, have to be willing to participate in a back and forth with Abby and her friends. That means you will need to first answer the question yourselves and then come back later tonight or tomorrow ( due to the time difference between our part of world and Egypt, some of Abby’s friend may not have a chance to comment until tomorrow.) I will stick this post to top of my Home page for a few days or as long as a meaningful dialogue continues. So, we have a special opportunity here to ask questions of Muslims you have always wanted to ask.
Rule of Engagement
This is not the place to argue the merits of one religion over another. Please stick to the question posed in the title. No vulgar language! No name calling! Be as frank as you feel necessary, but please be civil about it. Today, Abby and her friends are guests in my house. Please treat them accordingly.
Let the dialogue begin!
Well, that’s what I’m thinking. What are your thoughts?